Kills for the night

[ardor]

Marx wants to prove himself tonight. I'd like to think I'm not going to be hated by the entire playerbase for nothing. At least not yet.

The password to contact him, should I die, is "All or nothing" as the title of the pm.

Here's an idea, as it might get others to join our group.

Upon vote close tomorrow night, I can come forward, name the person the vigilante is supposed to kill, and see how that goes. I want the village to know we are working in the background.

The pros obviously are to instill some sense of trust for us and to see if we can't get some specials to come forward.

The cons are heavy though. If they know I'm building a network (I'll only say I was approached by the odd night vigilante), the bad guys may start going after anyone who voted to save Marx and they may figure Marx is the vigilante.

That's a delicate issue.

I personally think we should operate in the dark a bit and only come out if we feel we need to. Mouthpieces live a single day since no guardians exist.

Finding that second vigilante will help out tremendously, but I'm not willing to bet the farm on it yet.

I vote we kill frosteey mostly because he's going to hate me for the rest of the game and try to turn people against me. He's well spoken and his frustration is going to be shared amongst others. As much as I don't think he's a bad guy, his reaction seems a bit forced. He's mentioned in previous games that he feels people trust and follow me too much, so his reaction is not uncalled for.

Otherwise, I'm always happy to knock ElJeffe down there to see if he can't do some good for us.

[Hakkekage]

Yeah, don't reveal yourself tonight. Let's just have Marx confirm himself to us, and we can decide what to do later.

Frosteey seems like a good plan, because not only will his rhetoric against you be silenced, but you will then gain voting rights for your family.

[ardor]

The funny thing about killing frosteey, is that I should come under heavy suspicion for not only being very vocal, but somehow taking control of the family vote. The poor guy is going to hate me for a long time if he's innocent heh. I have no beef with him at all, but if I were him, I might be a bit frustrated too.

However, I'll continue pushing some things I think might be useful for the village. Let's see who pushes heavily against me. It's an easy way for people to discredit me and stay active at the same time. People do this most games, as a villian, you want to be helpful while staying low. What better way than to go after some vocal retard?

[mrballbaggins]

In regards to accusing frosteey and all that good shit, I'm willing to take one for the team and draw the fire away if need be.

[drinkinstout]

you guys see this? interesting...

Aroduc:

Just for the record, Gnasty's death makes Visiblehowl, Ardor and Drinkinstout safe (Marx was #4).

[ardor]

Very nice.

I'll be honest, if I'm the only one to figure out that you all had the same secret, I'd be surprised.

We'll see how things go from here. I don't think it's going to be a terrible day today, but if we can confirm that vigilante, things will be looking much better for us.

We have an option though, I'm not sure if it's a good one or not, but we do control 6 family votes. Precisionk is the last member of his family. Losing him means losing a vote. What do we think?

I think voting him off might be more appropriate, but from anyone else's point of view, that's a bad thing since the bad guys may also control roughly 5-6 votes.

[drinkinstout]

okay, so the changelings killed the kid who had 3 of our secrets and Marx's - are they stabbing in the dark or are they trying to throw off people? I think we need to start looking at the quiet people who are NOT on the dead kids' lists more intently...

[ardor]

There's another play we can try as well which might be more risky.

Eliminate the families who contain non-specials. It's far from a perfect strategy, but we might assume that the non stonecutter families might have a higher chance of harboring a bad guy. Plus, it would help us retain power over the vote at the very least.

We can start by going after another family member of Xorxenar's if she is going to die by vote tonight for example, or we can ice PK with the vigilante.

Alternatively, we could consider reducing the families to a person of interest. We can list which of the parents in each family we find suspect and either kill them or kill their S/O to see how they vote instead. That might also give us some hints.

I think we should execute both Elendil and Zek, mostly since we don't know a thing about them and we are 6 strong right now, hopefully we will be 7 strong tomorrow or at least still 6.

[visiblehowl]

We should probably have a similar strategy to the baddies, actually. Most of us, if not all, (I haven't gone through and checked everybody's role) are housewives. It would be better if our husbands died, because then we'd be able to better affect the vote to prevent one of us being killed, if one of us ends up looking suspicious for some reason.

I think we should vote Yes to kill Elendil, if possible, for that reason. We should have Marx kill Frosteey tonight, so it frees up Ardor. This will give us a total of 5 votes, which is a pretty significant voting bloc.

[ardor]

Another interesting idea, would be to have the vigilante go after children. If we assume all good guy specials are adults (slightly disagrees with the discgrace comment about her being a seer or being in contact with one?) hitting children reduces the chances we hit good specials and we can assume everyone had the same % chance of being a bad guy no matter what part of the family you were in.

[ardor]

I've got an idea for tomorrow's voting.

We should jump start the voting as early as possible and break it up into two people, keeping them even. We control what, 6 votes right now and 7 if Marx is the vigilante? We should cnosider that roughly 4 adults are evil and will influence the voting. I'm curious to see which way the others end up voting, we can ask the vigilante to kill the 2nd place then.

These voting records might tell us something about the families, or at least what families vote together.

[ardor]

Marx has decided to kill Frosteey. Let's find out if he speaks truth.

[ardor]

If someone else is fine with letting him join the boards in the allies section, we can let Marx join this board. He did prove himself last night.

Elendil waffled a bit on whether to kill grundl or variable, not really committing, but he did agree to kill ElJeffe tonight while Discgrace's vigilante had agreed to kill grundlterror.

Let's find out who dies tonight. I'm guessing I'll be one of them.

[Hakkekage]

I don't know about ElJeffe, but he really needs to die. Check this out, I got it when I got home:

ElJeffe wrote:
You are so a witch. Or maybe a changeling. Shame the visions don't specify which brand of baddie you are.

Hakkekage wrote:
And to that I say, I am so not. And if you intend to imply that I had been seered villainous, then stuff it up your now suspicious ass, mister, because I know who I am and I am completely innocent.

Not so sure about you anymore, though. Isn't it just your style to play monster as though you're prepared to die, taking risks and jumping through the fire?

[Hakkekage]

ElJeffe definitely needs to go down, tonight, by vigilante.

Why? Because I've been talking to him behind the scenes. I called his bluff and he admitted that there was no vision (obviously). Here's the thing, though; If he dies by monster tonight, whoever he is in contact with will point all their guns at me. If the vigilante kills him, they can't be any more suspicious of me than now. In fact, they may be nearly assured of my innocence since I may very well have had him killed because I believe him to be a monster.

[ardor]

Are you sure you want us to go this route? We get a freebie on him tomorrow. Remember, we control >50% of the votes, you won't die unless a monster claims you. That goes for all of us. The vote cannot touch us presently.

I'm loud enough that I can force the vote to go another way and people will throw their hands in the air, look at variable and frosteey. They are going to strangle me when we meet in the dead thread. Hell, many people will probably kill me again once I get down there.

If you really feel it's worth killing him tonight, let us know and I'll ask PK to sic his vig on ElJeffe. Otherwise, we might clean some house tomorrow if the grundl and eljeffe votes bring something good for us.

[Hakkekage]

You make a good point.