Day 6 stuff.

[ardor]

Well, our list of unknowns has shrunk to 4 people now.

an_alt
senior fish
elkamil

Elendil is a witch.

We still have:
Devoutlyapathetic
Plutonium
Buzz buzz

They all claim innocence.

I honestly think carving through the list of 3 above elendil may just give us the game, but we will see.

If it were me, I might take the chance of voting for cass or an_alt and then hitting elendil with PK. Elendil isn't stupid, he will not give us any clues. However, one interesting tactic might be to keep a tie vote as long as possible, and see which way he votes.

Also, we lost nobody in the network, that kicks ass. We lost a potential seer, but we're still going strong now compared to the list of unknowns.

EDIT: Also, what do we do with eljeffe now? We could vote for him as promised and then switch votes at the end, or we can claim we know what he is now so we can come back to him later. That might help us a little bit because we are letting elendil live as it is.

I personally would voice the opinion of stating that we know now 2 evil guys and will deal with them later. What do you all think?

EDIT: Cass has been seered innocent.

[eljeffe]

I'm consistently shocked at how I manage to last way longer than I have any business to.

[Hakkekage]

Yeah, eljeffe, how exactly are you managing that?

I hope you are not waving the banstick around

[ardor]

It's because he is good. Most people will at least let him live for a few days because he's a good player. I can only hope to achieve such status. As long as I don't have the Aroduc dies by day 2 every single game or Squashua/Dynagrip's kill him because he's annoying status, I should be fine.

[discgrace]

Got another vision! Cass is a sweet and innocent child - apparently the Roberts' cow being killed is just another coincidence. Shall I bringlg her into the network?

[mrballbaggins]

Well it looks like my suspicions of an_alt weren't completely unfounded. I knew we should have killed him.

[discgrace]

Let's claim to let Jeff live like we're letting Elendil live, so that we can take care of them last and get rid of the unknowns first. I think letting everyone in the network live as long as possible is totally in our best interests. But definitely let the vigilante take care of Elendil, that fucker is way too smart to let him live for any longer.

[mrballbaggins]

Yeah, I have to agree.

[ardor]

I think the only disadvantage to leaving elendil alive now, is if we assume the changelings have not contacted him yet. I see no other reason to think he's a problem now. They've already done a pretty good job with their kills, so I'd rather find his buddies first. That's just me. If we are confident that we can take out his pal tonight, we can ice him too.

I don't have a problem going after an_alt, as mrball suggests. The only reason I'd go after cass is because of the narration, really.

Then again, we could vote cass and kill an_alt, covering a lot of bases that way.

[discgrace]

Cass IS good. There's no reason to kill her, regardless of whose cows got sacrificed. DO NOT VOTE FOR CASS.

[mrballbaggins]

Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't the most logical course of action be to vote for Elkamil? If we could take him and an_alt out in one night, that would leave Elendil to kill tomorrow, and whoever to vote for tomorrow.

[ardor]

Yeah, sorry I missed that. We should bring her into the network.

Hmm. So that leaves elkamil, senior fish and an_alt for targets tomorrow? I think we should take two of them down.

[ardor]

Hmm, one more thought for today.

We could vote Elendil and claim that we will vigilante ElJeffe because he could be the last witch. Then we could obviously switch it up and vigilante someone above, it would probably buy you one more day ElJeffe, and we can hope the monster kills don't hit us.

The only con to this that I can see, is that we have so few suspects left provided DA, Buzz Buzz and Plutonium are innocent, that it'll take us one more day (vote or vig kill) to confirm them.

However, as we've seen, we still have like 4-5 more days I think. So perhaps taking one extra day to find the last guy wouldn't be so bad, plus it might catch them by surprise. Elendil loves being caught by surprise from what I remember. It might be a worthwhile thank-you present to give him due to killing Marx and being spared.

[eljeffe]

The fact that Grace has gotten so many visions sort of worries me. The rules say that if one vigilante dies, the other still only gets a kill every other day. It doesn't say anything about what happens when seers die, but I'm betting that visions occur every day regardless of how many seers are alive. If that's the case, the fact that Grace just got two in a row likely means that the others are all dead.

Also, Elendil PM'd me. He told me that he's offended that I stole his bit and then ignored him. The "ignored" part is curious, because he's never contacted me or spoken directly to me in the thread, which leads me to believe that he may be refering to his offer to get the baddies hooking up. I'm going to prod him to see if I can get him to think that I'm a changeling. Can't hurt.

[ardor]

It's got a one day potential gain I think. Essentially, you might be able to find out who's going to be attacked by them or you can help them choose a target.

I'm on the fence as to whether he's fishing for information or he actually has not gotten contact with the changelings.

You might wait until we start a vote for him, it might make him more desperate for a contact if he sees his life flash before his eyes?

EDIT: On the visions thing. I think we can assume she's the last seer or the visions are random.

Want me to post my rant about asking PK to get the vig to kill ElJeffe while we vote Elendil? Those votes might make him a bit more anxious to deal with someone, especially the guy who's supposed to be staked in the dark tonight. In fact, you should consider coming up with a codeword in posts to indicate targets. If he hasn't been contacted yet, his buddy might give his targets away to us which might be immensely useful if one of us dies and there is a guardian ability down below.

[eljeffe]

Okay, Elendil is at least claiming to be convinced that I'm a changeling. He says that he's been waiting two days and hasn't heard from anyone. I think there's about a 75% chance that he's telling the truth, and really thinks I'm a changeling.

He wants me to tell him "everything I know" about the changeling role, and then we can talk. If the witches have some ability above and beyond "kill people", and I don't offer up something like it, he'll probably know I'm lying. If I say that we can only kill people and the witches do have an extra power, he'll probably know I'm lying.

So, how likely do we think it is that the bad guys can do things other than simply kill? I have a feeling that cow thing is a big hint, and we need to properly interpret it.

[ardor]

Hmm, you could claim that you were told you would either
1) randomly take a family animal from all familes remaining (probably a good bet)
2) take animal from family not yours (admitting Cass isn't changeling)
3) the role pm did not explain this.

Any might work, I suggested 3 as well because if Discgrace doesn't fully understand how she gets visions, it's not a far cry to assume you weren't given all the scenarios in your role pm other than, go kill someone every night.

EDIT: Let me know if you want me to try and stir the vote to Elendil. That should dissuade the changelings from contacting him since they know he can't offer anything at all anymore and that you seem desperate since your cover is now blown.

[eljeffe]

What would be the advantage of slaughtering an animal? Like, why would a bad guy group choose to do this?

[ardor]

Just tell them it must be what happens when you guys choose the same target? That's my honest assumption.

[eljeffe]

Okay, sounds reasonable.

I'll see what I can do.

[ardor]

Good luck. I'm not going to post close to when you do because it hints we are working together and Thorgot was correct in his assumptions.

[eljeffe]

This is what I sent to Elendil. I hope he buys it:

Okay, I've discussed matters with my buddy, and here's the skinny on changelings:

Each night, we get to kill a person of our choosing.

Yeah, that's all there is. Sort of boring. The PM sort of implied that we might get some other power later, but it could've just been some flair in Nerissa's writing that we're misinterpreting.

Now, here's the thing: You are sneaky and conniving. It has occured to us that it's entirely possible that you're not really a witch, and this whole thing could be a sting operation from you and a network you're in to try and draw out the changelings. If I wasn't likely to be eating it anyway, I probably still wouldn't have come forth.

So now that we know that we don't trust each other, where would you like to go from here?

Also, was the cow thing really the result of you guy's selecting Marx, too, or was that something else?

[eljeffe]

Elendil bought the story somewhat, but said he "wasn't impressed". He asked about last night, and if we'd tried to kill James, and I said we weren't sure. I said that we'd selected an_alt, and were curious as to why he didn't die. I told him that we were wondering if he'd been protected by a secret guardian.

I then told him it was his turn to share.

[precisionk]

How the fuck am I alive? This is a good thing, seeing we get two kills tonight. What shall I send the kill order to be? I will be leaving very soon, so I would like to know who to kill.

[ardor]

Honestly PK, I think you should take aim at An_alt, Senior Fish or Elkamil. One of those three since we don't know who they are.