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Post by ardor on Jun 8, 2007 11:58:08 GMT -5
Frandel and Grundl should both die to executions.
We are undecided about ElJeffe. Although we should do our best to find a way to keep him alive.
Vote, I think it might be an interesting move to go after Cass and hope she's a witch. It also cuts down another vote we do not have any control over.
If ElJeffe is going to survive the execution, the bad guys should assume he's innocent or a special, since the last 2 people I heavily defended were both specials all right.
ElJeffe, it's possible you could claim to be a special if you fnid value in trying to take a shot from the monsters.
Otherwise, Thorgot or Elkamil should die by vote tonight.
Anything else to talk about?
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Post by eljeffe on Jun 8, 2007 12:11:57 GMT -5
I think my claiming to be a special might be a good plan if it looks like I'm going to succumb to the vote. I could draw the attention of the monsters. Maybe I could claim to be the EN vigilante who's been in contact with PK? He could even confirm it.
Hell, this might be a good plan regardless, and there would be no way for them to know I'd lied until another EN vigilante kill happens.
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Post by ardor on Jun 8, 2007 13:55:46 GMT -5
They wouldn't find out until tomorrow's narration, it's a fair shot.
How do you guys want me to react to it?
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Post by eljeffe on Jun 8, 2007 15:08:52 GMT -5
How would you react to it if you weren't in contact with me? Do that.
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Post by eljeffe on Jun 8, 2007 15:12:54 GMT -5
Also, would the plan still be for me to claim to be EN vigilante? If so, can someone PK trusts get him to back me up?
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Post by discgrace on Jun 8, 2007 15:28:52 GMT -5
PK does read this boards, but I'll PM him to make sure he knows about the plan and isn't alarmed to see you putting yourself out there thusly. Looks like you're tied right now between "Save" and "Kill"; I haven't voted either way on you or grundl yet. Are you going to wait until you're losing the vote to put this plan into action so it doesn't look suspicious? And would you rather I vote to save or kill you?
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Post by precisionk on Jun 8, 2007 15:29:17 GMT -5
I'm down with this. I can call you lots of names like idiot and what not. And just down right degrade you for coming out.
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Post by discgrace on Jun 8, 2007 15:31:47 GMT -5
I'm down with this. I can call you lots of names like idiot and what not. And just down right degrade you for coming out. You homophobe!
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Post by discgrace on Jun 8, 2007 15:35:17 GMT -5
Uhhh, PK has already called Jeff a witch in the main thread, which makes it look like he wants Jeff to die. Does this still work if we want him to call Jeff the vigilante now?
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Post by eljeffe on Jun 8, 2007 15:38:18 GMT -5
I plan to wait until it looks like I'm about to die. I'll be afc from about 5:00 on, so if it looks like I'm likely to kick off at that time, I'll go ahead and reveal myself.
Grace, it probably wouldn't hurt to have you vote to spare me. As as long as everyone here doesn't act in concert, I think it'll appear non-planned.
PK, feel free to say unsavory things about me and my kind.
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Post by eljeffe on Jun 8, 2007 15:39:42 GMT -5
Uhhh, PK has already called Jeff a witch in the main thread, which makes it look like he wants Jeff to die. Does this still work if we want him to call Jeff the vigilante now? It was a ruse to distance himself from me. PK can be excused from pretty much any action under the Crazy Motherfucker clause, which is why he's so dangerous when you don't know what side he's on.
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Post by ardor on Jun 8, 2007 15:40:54 GMT -5
Things just got a bit tricky.
PK can always claim he was trying to cover for him, but I'm not sure we can do much now.
ElJeffe, why don't you try claiming to be a seer. If people ask you for visions, you can try claiming that one of the above is a demon. Nobody knows how the visions work and I'm not sure we've had a bad guy seering yet.
You should try claiming that Thorgot is a changeling, Cass is a wtich etc. Pick a target we don't know anything about and go with it. If you chose an innocent, I bet they may take the 2nd monster kill tonight.
If you choose a monster, the wrong type, then they know you are lying, that may put PK in a little more danger.
Otherwise, you could claim that you seered me innocent/guilty and we can roll from there. Il'l gladly take a shot so PK gets another kill.
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Post by eljeffe on Jun 8, 2007 15:47:30 GMT -5
I think I like the seer tack. I'll be dead shortly no matter how it goes down, but it'll be fun. I'm going to claim thorgot is a changeling, because the fact that he's my son will make it more amusing. In the meantime, I'd like to try my whole code-to-see-what-the-deads'-powers-are thingy. Could someone more in the know come up with a list of a target to seer, a target to vig-kill, and a target to guard (who would be our vigilante's kill)?
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Post by eljeffe on Jun 8, 2007 15:50:52 GMT -5
Hey, Grace - what night to you get visions? I'm going to claim to be you.
edit: n/m, dug up the info myself.
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Post by ardor on Jun 8, 2007 15:56:56 GMT -5
If he lives long enough, I think PK might be our best bet on protecting each night if that's possible. We have enough knowledge that his kill will be more useful in the long run than being able to build a network, but only have a single kill.
For vigilante kills, go after the folks we know nothing about. I'll list them in an order here shortly which I think are suspect.
For seering, simply start from the bottom of the list and go up.
One thing to consider, several of us are the last member of the family, so the monsters could try to start removing votes by killing lone family members. We may want to seriously look at cracking down on the full families or a familiy with 2 unknowns in it.
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Post by discgrace on Jun 8, 2007 15:57:21 GMT -5
Jeff: I've had visions Tuesday and Thursday night. (Tuesday = precisionk, Thursday = you).
People I'd be interested in seering: James, Devoutly_Apathetic, whichever of [Elkamil/thorgot] that survives if we don't hit a bad guy tonight. What do you guys think?
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Post by ardor on Jun 8, 2007 16:02:07 GMT -5
Guys we think are ok but not being told anything: Buzz buzz - claims innocence Plutonium - claims innocence DevoutlyApathetic - claims innocence James - possible seer
Suspected bad guys:
Frandel - should die by execution - I think he's probably a bad guy Senior Fish Grundlterror - should die by execution - suspected bad guy Elkamil An_Alt Cass - I think night 4 narration suggests she's a witch. Thorgot - suspected changeling Elendil - Witch
That about covers it. I suspect frandel because he's vocally been against anything I say or do since he feels I've fucked up games by dealing with enemy factions to destroy a common enemy. (Caves of Phalla, V:tM phalla) He stopped doing that with his vote after day 1. I think he thought going after me would get him killed.
Thorgot, because he's posted more today than any other day I think, PK had a good point about him being dead for several days and that was his excuse for not being active. Plus the whole 15 times in a row comment. He either doesn't care (he usually does in these games) or he's a bad guy. I vote bad guy.
EDIT: Further comments. I think we should consider that plutonium isn't lying to me. He's not lied to me before and he's the guy I worked with to work with an enemy to attack a third and fourth faction.
Buzz buzz, I don't know about him. He's lying low this game which is unusual. However, I think we should place him on a low suspect list.
DA, I think he should be considered suspect.
James, well, if he is the seer, seering him and watching him get the vision does us no good. We should just assume he's not a bad guy and move on.
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Post by eljeffe on Jun 8, 2007 16:06:18 GMT -5
Oh, you've had two visions? Crap. I claimed only one.
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Post by discgrace on Jun 8, 2007 16:07:53 GMT -5
You said you had a vision of thorgot. You might have just not bothered to mention seering someone else the other night as innocent because thorgot was more important. Yes?
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Post by ardor on Jun 8, 2007 16:08:09 GMT -5
Nobody knows how the seers work. It's all good.
You can also claim you did get 2, but the person was dead. Claim a day 1 dead person or something. This fits with the 3 seers on linear schedule.
Alternatively, you could just continue with your 1 vision. As far as we know, you are seer 3 and you just got your first vision after day 3 events.
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Post by ardor on Jun 8, 2007 16:10:40 GMT -5
Discgrace, you kick ass.
I'd like to add something onto that. You could consider stating DA was seered innocent, so all specials should contact him. That might mean the bad guys take him instead and it solves our "What the hell is DA?" problem. Alternatively, you could consider saying someone like senior fish was seered innocent.
If you do claim you seered an innocent, you could also do it after voting closes. This is not only more believable, but it also means you've got a good chance of having chosen a target the bad guys will tear up tomorrow.
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Post by discgrace on Jun 8, 2007 16:11:00 GMT -5
So there's a pretty good chance 1 or 2 of us will die tonight at monster hands, since we're about half of the non-monster population now. Jeepers. Ardor, I'll be super-impressed if this whole thing has been your elaborate plan to get the villagers to kill each other off faster.
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Post by eljeffe on Jun 8, 2007 16:13:05 GMT -5
Okay, here's what I'm going to do if (when) I get into the dead thread: If we control visions, I'm going to have them give you a vision of James. If we control kills, I'm going to have them kill an_alt, Elkamil, or Senor Fish, in that order, depending on who's alive at the moment. If we control guardians, PK will need to somehow signal who he's going to kill in the game thread using some sort of code. We'll then protect that person. If we have one of those powers, you'll then know which it is, and you can plan accordingly. Thereafter, I'll use the above lists as preferred target lists. If PK dies before this can happen, and they get guardian powers, then I guess you folks will never know. If none of the above happens, assume that the deads' function is none of these.
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Post by eljeffe on Jun 8, 2007 16:14:31 GMT -5
Discgrace, you kick ass. I'd like to add something onto that. You could consider stating DA was seered innocent, so all specials should contact him. That might mean the bad guys take him instead and it solves our "What the hell is DA?" problem. Alternatively, you could consider saying someone like senior fish was seered innocent. If you do claim you seered an innocent, you could also do it after voting closes. This is not only more believable, but it also means you've got a good chance of having chosen a target the bad guys will tear up tomorrow. :^: I like being on your side, because you are smart.
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Post by discgrace on Jun 8, 2007 16:14:37 GMT -5
Everyone should read and copy that down, in case someone other than Jeff dies tonight.
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