Usefulness in death

[eljeffe]

So there's a good chance I'm going to die tonight, given how much I've been gunning to whack every accused person, and I'm all accused, and such. Perhaps I can make it a useful death, though.

We still don't know what the powers of the dead are. We've been assuming they pick the seer target, but (correct me if I'm mistaken) we've been given no reason to believe this other than it makes a certain sort of sense. I figure there are three likely things the dead could be doing:

- They could be controlling seer targets,
- They could be guarding people, or
- They could have vigilante powers.

The third one seems unlikely since we haven't seen it in action, but it's always possible that they have an up/down vote on whether to even use it, or something. I propose that the next of us to die relays them a code that they can use to communicate what their powers are to us.

Off the top of my head, if they have seer powers, we tell them to seer a specific person. If they have guardian powers, we have them protect the vigilante's target. If they have vigilante powers, we tell them to kill someone. If it's something else, the lack of any of the above occurrences will let us know.

Beyond that, we could also establish a code system whereby one of us could send messages via the game thread, such as a designated person using someone's name in conjunction with a code word to indicate that person as a target.

If we could do this, it might even be in our best interests to gun for my death, since I think knowing what our dead allies can do and having influence over it is of more use than one more living network member.

[ardor]

This was mentioned briefly before as well, and it's always a good idea. We used this in your game to make sure we wouldn't destroy the seer target.

I think just taking the role list we have here down with you might be enough. What we need though, is some way to communicate the results of our seerings to you guys. If the information we got from Bad Kitty is good, James is our other seer.

Honestly, to put everyone's fears to rest, you might consider having me seered and hope it brings James or whoever to me, but then again, I'm always on the edge of being killed.

Let us know what you think a fair idea would be. We could have it so one of us (We could post an order) would vote for whoever we got a vision for, and if none of this network votes for that person again, they are clean. Otherwise, we will vote down the bad guy.

For example:

Ardor
Hakkekage
Discgrace

Could be the first three in line. As long as the top person lives, they will indicate to the dead what the results were?

[discgrace]

Personally I'd rather not kill you using the executions. If we blatantly save you, there's a good chance that one (or both, haha) of the monster groups will try to take you out instead. If that keeps them from taking out the remaining vigilante, me, or any other surviving seers, more's the better - if we save you in a really obvious fashion, they might even assume that YOU are the seer or vigilante. Then you can either go help us out in the Dead Thread if you die, or if you live we can keep you as part of our voting power.

[ardor]

This actually bring up an interesting point.

I was thinking about how the witches had to sacrifice Cass' cow last night. I'm thinking it might mean they had to take an animal of one of their families to sacrifice since they had to kill something that night.

I would place Cass as a Witch. If we get a witch tomorrow between frandel and grundl and PK survives, we should vote for Cass and vigilante elendil.

I think that's the route I would suggest.

[eljeffe]

It could also mean that there was some sort of deflection/guardian mechanism. Maybe they targeted Cass, but were blocked and so poor Bessie took the blow.

[discgrace]

Or it could mean they both targeted Marx and Nerissa just randomly picked one family's livestock to suffer.

[eljeffe]

Also, I'm not wild about outing the members of the network by having anyone try to publicly protect me. We don't want to give the bad guys a laundry list of who to kill.

[ardor]

Part of the reason I'm being loud and probably obnixious, is to give them the feeling that I'm actually swaying votes to go my way. (It's also been a boring week at work, sorry for you guys having to see me post so much)

At this point, I can try contacting some of the other families to say I was told ElJeffe was seered innocent. Worst case scenario I see, is having both of us die, but allowing PK to kill tomorrow. Same results if we execute you and one of us falls to the bad guys again.

I agree about the laundry list, I'm just trying to find a viable way to not have to free-kill you. If I pm'd people or came out to say I've been told you got seered as an innocent, people may have no choice but to free you. It's risky, but I've never been an important part of this group. I'm just the guy who posts too much. I'm a better candidate for death if it comes down to making a sacrifice.

[eljeffe]

Well, it's not like I've done much myself, other than lobby to get a bunch of innocent folks killed.

Maybe we should just wait and see what happens for a bit before starting a PM campaign. Maybe people will lose interest in seeing my dead on their own.